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PostSubject: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 4:29 am

Welcome Everyone to My Next potions class, as a Matter of fact, we will be putting ourself focussed on the veritaserum".

I walked down the room and closed the door and said back "As ofcourse, you all know Veritaserum, is a potion that is used to reveal the truth from the drinker, mostly used by the Auror office, but before we can make it, I belive our students must have a brief discussion on the potion"

I raised my wand and flicked it and the words "Veritaserum:Discussion Class" Appeared on the black board, I then said "Today in this class, we will discuss the pros and cons of using veritaserum"

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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 4:34 am

Hermione granger walked into the room swiftly and took her seat. She looked at the board then thought for a second. "Professor. What do you mean by pros and cons?" she didnt even know what they meant but she at least had to ask.
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 8:11 am

Negative and Positive points!



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 8:14 am

"oh ok." hermione was thinking hard about something,.
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 11:10 am

Josephine was already seated near the front of the classroom, her parchment and quill ready for note-taking. During the time she was waiting for Professor Snape to settle the class down she spent it making origami cranes. She was surrounded by a few by the time the professor announced today's lesson.

"A pro would be that Veritaserum forces the drinker to tell the absolute truth of whatever they've been asked. A con is that they can only tell what they believe to be true, not necessarily what is actually true.
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 11:16 am

Hermione sat there for a secong. Yes that is true. :P
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 11:18 am

"A Very important point, Josephine, 20 Points to Hufflepuff for that wonderful Work" i walked towards Ms Lycos and said "What do you stand for Ms lycos? Do you stand for or against it?"



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 12:31 pm

Josephine leaned against the desk, her chin resting in her hands. She thought for a moment, a puzzled look on her face, and then finally spoke.

"Well I don't know Professor. On the one hand it's a very useful tool and be used to get the truth out of those who refuse to share it but on the other hand, isn't it a violation of that person's willpower? I mean, once someone drinks Veritaserum, you can ask them anything and they will have no choice but to answer, no matter how dark or private or embarrassing the information may be.

And like I mentioned before, the truth they reveal might not even be the actual truth. They could believe that the sky is yellow when we know it to be blue. But when you ask them they will answer 'Yellow!' I guess when it comes down to it, I don't believe Veritaserum is the most reliable way to serve justice. I would refuse it as a first choice in a trial or interrogation. I mean, it could be used as a very last resort if you've got almost all the facts you need and you just want the criminal to confess.

But I don't believe it should be widely used. People abuse that kind of power."
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 12:42 pm

"I m for it and against it. I am for it because well what if their is a crime and there were eyewitnesses that might not be telling what they believe? then u can use the spell on them and they will tell you what they believe. I am against it because you can over do it and ruin someones life. I dont think anyone would like to ruin their friends life."

Hermione was watching her wand take notes as she spoke.
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Sat May 01, 2010 9:03 pm

Its a Potion, Ms Granger, not a Spell!



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 04, 2010 5:49 am

And Perhaps Both of you, could you stand for just one part of it? Standing on both sides seems like a classical old drama, which I believe must be shunned in order to entertain better thinking and arguing skills among my students

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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 04, 2010 5:55 am

I stood up and said "Sir,I stand for it being used in the Auror Office, because unlike Josephine commented, The postion could be used on people to first extract the information that is they are guilty or innocent in the the case charged against them, if they say a Very blank 'No' then we can confirm that they are not criminals but if they say 'yes', then By logic it follows that the information they wish to extract would be right, and is fully legitimate in being used in the cout of Discipline to charge or prove guilty cases henceforth"
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 04, 2010 6:29 am

Thats A Very Good Point Mr Malfoy, What do say Josephine?



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 04, 2010 9:22 am

"I'll have to disagree with Draco. It's not as reliable as it seems. There are antidotes that can be used to counter the effects of Veritaserum. Even Occlumency can be used against it. There may even be some wizards and witches who are immune to its effects."
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 04, 2010 11:23 am

I dont think a wizard is immune to its effects, but i understand your point on Occlumency and Antitodes, but do you think, The Dementors at Azkaban will allow a convicted person to take an Antitodes while in prison against Veritaserum?

The Other point comes in Occlumency, here again might I remind you only very rare and highlly skilled wizards get to know the art of Occlumency and leglimency?



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Fri May 07, 2010 11:13 am

Do you Have A Counter point, Ms Lycos? Given the high possible uses of this Potion in the Wizarding World?



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Fri May 07, 2010 3:12 pm

Hermione sat there. She was writing down every word said for future refrences. She didnt take her eyes from her paper unless she was spoken to.
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 18, 2010 7:31 am

Occlumency is the act of magically closing one's mind against leglimency .
It can prevent a Legilimens from accessing one's thoughts and feelings,
or influencing them.

Example

P. Severus Snape
: "It appears there is a connection
between the Dark Lord's mind and your own. Whether he is, as yet, aware
of this connection is for the moment unclear. Pray he remains ignorant.
"

Nicholas Ravenclaw
: "You mean if he knows about it
then, he'll be able to read my mind.
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P.Severus Snape
: "Read it, control it, unhinge it...
Used properly, the power of Occlumency will help shield you from access
or influence. In these lessons I will attempt to penetrate your mind.
You will attempt to resist. Prepare yourself! Legilimens!
"

Then a strange feeling was going through my head. I saw all my important past.
= Professor Stoped spell=

P.Severus Snape: "Concentrate Ravenclaw! Dark Lord wont stop in this spell until he reaches what he want!"

Nicholas Ravenclaw: " Professor, What does he actually want from my memory?"

P.Severus Snape: " We all know that you are good friend to Potter! And you may guess what he wants. Now shall we continue. Legilimens!"

After a couple of hours, I finaly managed to use Occlumency.

And professor if you mean a Counter point, then glass of
clear liquid as antidote shall do it?
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 18, 2010 10:36 am

Well, This will Definitely Score You Points, For your Coversation Roleplay, 30 Points to Ravenclaw, and for the Antidote, 10 Points to Ravenclaw!



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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 18, 2010 2:27 pm

Thank you professor :D
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 18, 2010 5:17 pm

Wufei tripped into the room, VERY late, huffing as he tried to find a seat. He had managed to hear the last few questions "Professor, sorry for the intrusion and extreem tardiness...I understand if points are deducted...but to answer your question on the stance of veritaserum..." He tried to straighten himself out, begining to answer while still standing. "I have to disagree with malfoy. In the muggle world there are many who may be guilty of a crime but because of mental illness or just skewed values they believe that they have done absolutely nothing wrong or that they havent done anything at all."

As he sat down he sighed and shook his head. "As the serum forced the victim to tell his version of the truth it is hardly that reliable, to the point of only 'keeping honest people honest.' However, as a means of coersion..." He looked up with a grin. "I imagine it would be very effective. the threat of spilling ones deepest darkest secrets with no control over what was said is very frightening for some, and that alone may be enough to bring about a confession, as long as the victim has something greater to hide."
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 18, 2010 9:04 pm

That is perfectly understood Ashe, but as Mr. Malfoy points out, dont you think it is a violation of personal integrity, even when muggle world all round prohibits any tests of such nature to back a theory on committing murder?

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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Tue May 18, 2010 9:26 pm

He nodded "Very much so i do. am against any use of the serum. I am against the current practice because i see it as impractical, though i am against the practice of threats in general as while they work, they are very cruel and in violation of anyonees rights as a humanbeing." He shruged. "I was only saying that was the only effectiveness i saw in the potion. My apologies for not being clearer."
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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Thu May 20, 2010 1:50 am

For that Heated Debate, 50 points Each to My Lycos, Ashe and Mr.Malfoy!

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PostSubject: Re: Veritaserum (All Years)   Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:05 pm

'Professor Flitwick sat at her desk, thinking aboiut the potion, and then decided to raise her hand, intending to get Professor Snapes Attention.'

" The potion is very advanced when somene is asking questions, it will force the victim that drank it to confess or awnswer any questions asked. The Potion is a clear water like potion, which is quite bad if someone mistakeingly drank the potion not knowing that it isn't water. The potion has an effective restitance antidote and Occlumency. The potion is a very unfair potion to use at a trial as some wizards and Witches can resist the Potion where as other cannot, this is what makes it an 'Unfair' Potion to use. The potion will also take aroun 28 days to brew which is the equvelance of a Lunar Phase. Though this potion can be very usefull as it can help someone find out what happened at a Particular event or it can stop anyone frombeing harmed through torture. Also it can be disguised in a drink, to suprise or in other words catch the victim of guard when drinking the drink or whatever is used as a disguise."

'Professor Flitwick then took a deep breath and awaited a response'
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